Did Deb Webber make a bad call?

[K.I.N.G]

The question still remains why didn't she lead the family to the body since she can do this on SM? Any thoughts?

Because in real life there's no time for research or scripting.

[blondiema]

Do we know for sure she actually didn't?...would we be told if she was insistant in the Police re-searching the area ?....Don't think so.

Infact from what I have read on here...it appears she may have had more involvement than we know...or am I mis reading posts?

[katspurring]

so why is it Deb that's at fault?? I cannot for the life of me see where this is all going. The fact is, Deb was right, and it was all based on a question a journalist-like person asked her, not the other way round. The fact that Deb was right is the biggest issue on here, i feel, not the fact that TVNZ employee asked her!
The most important person in all of this is poor wee Aisling, and i think the respect mark should stop right there, not whether ANY of us a right or wrong

[kelvin cruickshank]

Hi ALL. I am currently in Australia and have a few things to SAY.

Firstly my prayers go out to the Family of Aisling and I like so many feel for them with this tradgic loss..

I would like to put it out to everyone that when a person goes missing and Families ask for help dirrectly to a medium/psychic then it is acceptable for the medium to help and support... BUT it must be DIRRECT..

In this case it was not dirrect and that is why DEB is getting flack and I must say out of respect for the spirit and families that I beleive that Ms Webber has made a BAD CALL...

PEOPLE must ask direct and in this case it is and was all second and third hand.

CHRISTIANS do not beleive in PSYCHIC'S so they would not ask for help...

I am upset, as I too asked spirit if I could help find Aisling.. my answer from them was STEP BACK...

We should always TRUST in our SPIRIT not our EGO...

TODAY is a sad day for all at the loss of a little angel...

Also I have been receiving some rather nasty emails of HATE toward me and what I do... I must say that it hurts to be on the receiving end of someone elses BAD CALL.

Kelvin currently in Australia.

[whisper]

We all make mistakes........ we all have lessons, we wouldnt learn if we didnt. I think if she had any idea how out of hand this would have gotten she wouldnt haven even gone on the show.... shes a lovely woman who made a mistake...........she did not want this attention- who would? Lets give it a rest and remember who's really important here....the family ...... I just cant believe the media frenzy about all of this I have seen nothing like it in this country before.

[Believer]

Hi ALL. I am currently in Australia and have a few things to SAY.

Firstly my prayers go out to the Family of Aisling and I like so many feel for them with this tradgic loss..

I would like to put it out to everyone that when a person goes missing and Families ask for help dirrectly to a medium/psychic then it is acceptable for the medium to help and support... BUT it must be DIRRECT..

In this case it was not dirrect and that is why DEB is getting flack and I must say out of respect for the spirit and families that I beleive that Ms Webber has made a BAD CALL...

PEOPLE must ask direct and in this case it is and was all second and third hand.

CHRISTIANS do not beleive in PSYCHIC'S so they would not ask for help...

I am upset, as I too asked spirit if I could help find Aisling.. my answer from them was STEP BACK...

We should always TRUST in our SPIRIT not our EGO...

TODAY is a sad day for all at the loss of a little angel...

Also I have been receiving some rather nasty emails of HATE toward me and what I do... I must say that it hurts to be on the receiving end of someone elses BAD CALL.

Kelvin currently in Australia.

SHIT

Poor Deb..........Im really feeling for her right now...........all she wanted to do was help.

Sad day when your colleagues turn on you.........

Hope she is strong enough to get thru this

What a complete and utter balls up.........

[Star Light]

SOME Christan's do believe in psychics. I've spoken to some that follow the SM series & have been to your show KC.

Don't most Christians believe in the afterlife? I know the Catholic faith do.

I went to a church school. I won't say Christian bc it wasn't. I read that the CoE that it's affiliated with is also one that doesn't support psychics.

Something I never picked up on.

I think it was TVNZ's bad call but I guess Deb could have said nothing about it.

I guess it has got a few more people thinking about it, but agreed not the right time.

The skeptics seen especially anxious about this.

[Believer]

SOME Christan's do believe in psychics. I've spoken to some that follow the SM series & have been to your show KC.

Don't most Christians believe in the afterlife? I know the Catholic faith do.

I.

I read somewhere that the family where in church praying to God he gives them some kind of insight to her whereabouts...........is that not the same thing as psychic but with a different label ?

[whisper]

SHIT

Poor Deb..........Im really feeling for her right now...........all she wanted to do was help.

Sad day when your colleagues turn on you.........

Hope she is strong enough to get thru this

What a complete and utter balls up.........

I agree it is a sad day when that happens..especially so publically too.

Talk about rubbing ones nose in it. I feel for her too!!!!!! What ever happened to support?

[Hj]

SHIT

Poor Deb..........Im really feeling for her right now...........all she wanted to do was help.

Sad day when your colleagues turn on you.........

Hope she is strong enough to get thru this

What a complete and utter balls up.........

I am really feeling for her too and you could not have said it better

[Star Light]

I guess it's easy to think that psychics & psychic mediums are relatively acceptable these days & to get a bit carried away.

Most of the people I associate with ( friends) and most of my family are open to it & many NZers watch SM so it seems quite normal to me & many read books on the suject.

Take KC's book - a bestseller! Most people are at least curious about it.

[Baz]

I like the rest of NZ have watched with so much hope over the past week.
The tragedy of a young life lost has taken its toll on so many, and we each would do our utmost for a different outcome.

Poor Deb..........Im really feeling for her right now...........all she wanted to do was help.

Sad day when your colleagues turn on you.........

Hope she is strong enough to get thru this

What a complete and utter balls up.........

Hang in there Bel.
This has been a very public flogging. And Kelvins response is public, but I believe a needed one.
I do not see this as one turning on another.

I think it is a very public reminder that anyone who is involved in readings or mediumship, do have responsibilities.

There has been a huge amount of anger, frustration, venting and hurting within NZ over the events of the last week. Some of this anger and venting has been quite vicious on the various blogs and messageboards. More I could say on that but this is not the right place.

Bel, I agree with Kelvin. His post reflects he is copping pain and frustration not of his making, and I can believe that there will be others in the firing line too. It may be blunt, but he has said what is needed I believe.

As we have been taught and as you have posted recently here, ethics are so important, and as Kelvin reminds us, mediums become involved only by direct invitation.

I also do not believe in this .........

"I have a message and I will deliver it"

Responsibility and respect are the two main things (I thought) a medium learns.

I believe it is important now to separate the emotion from the events of the past week, step back and learn.
The fact that there was some accuracy in Deb Webbers words is not the point.

The point is ETHICS were not engaged, Deb got caught out. We all get to learn, if we choose?

Yes, what a complete and utter balls up, and a very long painful week for so many

[Believer]

Dear Baz

I have written back to your post and deleted it and written it again We can debate this over a bottle of wine next time we meet.......

I feel sorry for Deb...........really sorry for her.........and when the chips are down you find out who your friends are................

[katspurring]

I feel for Deb 2, all she did was ansa a question directed @ her

[Roslyn..Lee..21..]

lessons certainly have been learnt here, and I just want to send out my Love and Support to everyone hurting.

[jilly23]

Dear Baz

I have written back to your post and deleted it and written it again We can debate this over a bottle of wine next time we meet.......

I feel sorry for Deb...........really sorry for her.........and when the chips are down you find out who your friends are................

I have been thinking about this ALL night - and I will be putting this up.

This is for you to read Kelvin. We have a saying at work called "Spring Into Action and Look After Your Work Mates". I have been thinking of your reasons why you posted what you did - and when I re-read it I'm just wondering if YOU were angry coz YOU are getting hate emails over all this. Well KC, I think you made a bad call writing what you did. Over the years I have worked for Specialists (Drs) in their Rooms - whenever a colleague had been called before the Board for any wrongdoing, their colleagues all rallied around him/her. That's what colleagues do, that's what WorkMates do - SUPPORT them through the hard times - doesn't mean you have to agree with what they did. I would have thought something more ethical such as texting her, PMing her, ringing her would have been more sensitive than putting it up in writing on a public forum where it could now possibly be splashed over the newspapers and potentially ruin her career. I really feel for her at the moment.

This is for you to read Deb. At the end of the day, everyone makes mistakes, sometimes we don't think before we act. Just goes to show you are human like the rest of us. I'm totally behind you Deb - at the end of the day you were trying to help like thousands of other NZ'ers - but I send you much support and love at this time. I hope you can manage to put all this behind you and just be the vibrant, loving and helpful person that you are. xxxx

[katrina b]

lessons certainly have been learnt here, and I just want to send out my Love and Support to everyone hurting.

Amen!!

[kelvin cruickshank]

In all fearness DEB should have known better.

I beleive in her, she is a good person who means incredibly well however there is a time and there is a right place to sit still and listen..
Whats done is done and it is complete now...

I am part of a fantastic team of mediums who help were we can and best we can but I am tired of getting flack because a fellow medium didnt stop and think of the effect it all has across the board.

Enjoy your day, I am in Sydney today and perhaps think of the long term effect more so the first effect...

Like a pebble into a pond it ripples out...

Think before we open our mounths whould be a start..

Most effected and hurt... Aislings MOM and DAD..

k

[katrina b]

Have a great day KC, hope you have sun! Enjoy your workshop, and say Hi to Indoors, she has overcome alot to get there, so she hopefully feels very proud of herself!!
Life is one big lesson for us all, and we all learn from each other.
My support to all you mediums. Thanks for doing what you do and for teaching us big lessons along the way!

[Believer]

IMO Deb is being used as a ventng vessell for everyone to throw stones at..........

I find it EXTREMELY difficult to believe that KC has not received hate mail previous to this unfortunate event..........

For a colleague to line up to take his turn at the public flogging on their own workplace website is extremely bad taste.....a private conversation airing out ones concerns would of been a more professional, mature and ETHICAL course of action

[MandyFlyMe]

I don't think Deb was working with ego...

I too got a message from spirit about where Aisling was.. but I kept it to myself until after she was found... unfortunately what spirit told me was correct.

I guess, perhaps if I was in the same situation as Deb, on the telly, nervous and put on the spot like that.. nerves would far outwiegh ego.. and sometimes when we're nervous we don't stop and think about what we are about to say...

I feel she was put on the spot.. and being of good heart, she genuinely wanted to help with the message she got. As that's what we do as spirit talkers..





Maybe.... just maybe... Spirit pushed her into blurting that out publically.

[celticwitch]

Don't you think it's time this was put to rest and stop with the "he said she said" nonense? We all make mistakes especially when we are put on the spot or trying to do what we feel is best. Kelvin is right, the most affected people in all this are Aisling parents and wider family. That is where our energy should be going and not in trying to lay blame over something that can't be changed.

[blondiema]

Hi ...Mandy I agree....Deb had been just talking about the 'greater awareness of conciousness in the world'...before Paul slipped the question in...and I feel her response was a 'led' one...ie maybe spirit felt it time to go public.

And just as Kelvin's told him to 'step back'...maybe there was a reason and a lesson in it all.

I do think Kelvin...has only gone as far as calling it 'a bad call'....and that is justified......After all it was a discredit to his profession....and there will be ramifications from those with , as I see it , vitreolic views on mediumship.

I think all round, this has been a dawning of the age of the psychic.....and I wish the blinkers would come off those too angry to see it for what it is....the truth and an actuality.

[Hj]

I don't think Deb was working with ego...

Totally agree with you on that Mandy

[katrina b]

Don't you think it's time this was put to rest and stop with the "he said she said" nonense? We all make mistakes especially when we are put on the spot or trying to do what we feel is best. Kelvin is right, the most affected people in all this are Aisling parents and wider family. That is where our energy should be going and not in trying to lay blame over something that can't be changed.

I totally agree!
May it now be time to stand in unity, because we are all affected when another wee angel is called home. May we stand in loving support as Aislings parents go through their grief,and only send love out into the universe so that is what they recieve, not judgement,not anger, we can;t turn back the clock of time, but we can send love out into the universe, we can come togeather in unity to do so. We are all human, we all make mistakes, we all follow what we feel is right, we all need each others support to get through things. Sadly this wee girls death has stirred alot of things up, alot of people are in the firing line, mediums, council, etc, many lessons are to be learnt, and maybe a wee girls soul, chose that she was to be part of the lessons, their is no blame, just learning, and learning to come togeather more in love, not hate. KC respectfully said what he wanted to say and imo is not getting at Deb but is showing us a lesson to be careful with our gifts, Deb may have felt nudged to pass on what she did, none of us can sit in judgement cos we can;t see the big picture, it does show though as a whole human race our actions can affect each other, we are that connected. May your light shine bright wee angel and show us what we need to learn. Thank you for being a light to this world. May you now be free.
United we stand
Divided we fall,
Lets stand united in love and understanding!!
Love and light to Aisling and her family.